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persuasion +perceived +value SEDUCTION TRENDS: Getting To Sexual YES 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
What is the bottom-line reason any woman decides to sleep with you. Haven't you ever wondered? This is a question I've probably asked myself a thousand times. Maybe you have to, and over the years I've come to some interesting conclusions and answers. To begin with, take into consideration the most global factor as to why anybody does anything: to gain pleasure and/or avoid pain. It's almost always a mix of the two, although some people will be motivated more by one than the other. Rather than elaborate greatly, I'll simply say that there is nothing you can do, or have done or will do that is not either an attempt to, in some way, gain pleasure or avoid pain. Consider now that the prime goal in any seduction interaction is to motivate the subject to TAKE ACTION ,or, to simply become COMPLIANT to our will. Depending on the chick, she'll eventually come to the point where she'll either actively jump your bones, or just LET you jump hers. For further reference in this post, let's call this moment the Threshold Of Action, or simply, TOA. TOA comes about when the chick has lost all of her ambivalence and/or prior inhibition to screwing you and will either MAKE it happen or allow YOU to make it happen. So the overriding question becomes, exactly HOW do we get the chick we're seducing to TOA? Let's go back to the gain pleasure-avoid pain rule again. Knowing that this is the case, it would be completely reasonable to assume that before ANY chick can ultimately come to the Threshold of Action, she must BELIEVE, on a subconscious level, that her decision and action will bring her more pleasure than pain, or, to alleviate or REMOVE some sense of pain in FAVOR of pleasure. If the chick is pretty stable and generally happy in life, then she'll look at it as merely an opportunity to ADD additional pleasure to what she already has. Can you think of a time where there may have been some specific action, some opportunity for possible fun that you were simply indifferent to? Maybe you went to an amusement park at one time, and there was a ride there that you were skeptical of going on at first, but your friends persuaded you; You'll LOVE this ride... it's a blast! The feeling is awesome! After you ride this thing you'll just want to go on it again and again! (yes I know, very similar to DC pattern, ironic?) So after a bit of blatant persuasion, you finally decide to ride the damn thing, and... you find out that you DO love it. What's important to get out of this is, HOW and WHY were you ultimately persuaded, and when you made the decision, what exactly was the process of making it? The key here, is to get a powerful FEELING of exactly what it felt like right at some crucial persuasion moment, like being convinced to do something that, prior to that moment, you may have been indifferent, or perhaps even somewhat opposed, to doing. Consider for a moment, that concerning any woman (women) you have slept with up to this point, there was more than likely a period in which she may have had no intention of sleeping with you. Perhaps she was opposed, or maybe she just didn't really think about it either way. At what point, going back through the experience now, do you think it was that she came to the Threshold of Action? The point at which there was no longer any limiting ambiguity as to whether or not she KNEW she wanted to jump you? Chicks sleep with guys for different reasons. Some do it because they're simply horny and the right guy is in the right place at the right time. Others do it because they feel they've established an emotional connection with the guy. Others still may do it because it is their means of feeling valued and desired, or like they're worth something. However, ALL chicks sleep with guys because they ultimately believe it's going to GET THEM SOMETHING THEY WANT. Think about the college chicks who won't sleep with the geeks, even though the guy may not be bad looking at all. In secret she might actually desire the experience. However, it probably WOULD ruin her reputation on campus and/or with all her friends. The pain of the real or PERCEIVED consequences of sleeping with the geek, far outweigh any pleasure that might be gained from the experience. Ever been turn down by a chick in school? A club, a bar or a party? Ever worked on a chick half the night only to see her walk in the end, and you never see her again? Perhaps you tried to get something going, she definitely knew were up for sex, and she still walked? There could be a million different specific reasons for her actions that you'll never know, but the one thing that is for certain (and this MAY be the one area in seduction where anything can be as close to 100% certain as possible) is that whatever was going on in this chicks mind, she did NOT believe that sleeping with you was going to bring her more pleasure, make her life any happier or interesting than the cross she would have to bear, the bad emotions she would have to endure, whether her own or others, if she DID sleep with you. Even if she thought you might just be a closet psycho and that by going home with you she may be raped or killed, it is STILL some sense of *pain* associated with just trying to figure out whether you really are, or whether you aren't... and it just isn't worth the effort. And obviously, the massive pain that would be brought about by a perceived potential rape. If a chick WENT to the bar with only the agenda of seeing how many guys would buy her drinks in hopes of getting sex, what would she later have to think of herself if she DID give in and go home with some guy for sex? She would more than likely, at least in HER mind, have to feel like a cheap slut who puts out for drinks. Again, the pain not being worth the pleasure. From the perspective of this global model (which is about as global as you can get) we see that our mission, our goal with any chick we're trying to nail, is to CREATE a situation and a set of circumstances that will plainly and unambiguously present her with an *opportunity* to GAIN far more pleasure than any pain she would ever stand to incur. Although our seductive interaction with a woman is continuum, a gradual progression of steps smoothly leading from one to the other, there is a well defined point where any chicks is methodically swayed to the point of TOA. Unlike the 1-4 minute rule, where the chick is initially and somewhat randomly evaluating what the general POSSIBILITIES of fucking you are, The Threshold of Action is much more well defined. It probably happens in somewhat of a singular moment, the moment at which the scales have been unmistakably tipped in favor of the fuck. Although we may never truly know precisely when this moment occurs, we don't need to. All we need to know is that we must, through our persuasive language and behaviors, drive her PAST this point to secure the lay. Consider my instant-kino rule. that is, you hug and kiss the chick IMMEDIATELY upon meeting her and introducing yourself. This effectively and QUICKLY removes all the 1-4 minute demons that may otherwise be set free to chaotically run around and create havoc in her mind. And most importantly, it sets the value of possibilities of sex to YES. POSSIBILITY = YES. Remember that almost all of this is happening at a level which is very much *out of conscious awareness*, in fact, it's simply what naturally takes place all the time anyway. I am simply putting the model to it. Once we get the possibilities for sex to equal YES, it becomes much, much easier to proceed with the rest of the effort and it will all be received much more quickly and openly. The remainder of the task, as we've learned, is to now begin driving her to the Threshold of Action using all of our skills. We begin moving her from a position of possibly more pain/less pleasure expected, to a position of more pleasure/less pain expected. (Patterns, Language, Non-Verbal communication, Criteria, Cialdini principles, etc) The process may happen in a day, or in a night, or it may take several days to a week depending on if the chick is worth it. Naturally, the chick's sexual predisposition can be a relevant factor in how everything will go. Her past memories, experiences, beliefs and habits are what you're dealing with. The point of this writing is to give you very large picture, global model of what is really happening behind the scenes when you're working on boning that HB. Again, these are all things that are very much out of conscious awareness, usually on the part of BOTH parties. They are not something we address verbally or directly. But nevertheless, they are the principles that are invisibly and silently guiding the interaction. The ideas I want you to come away with are, first, NO chick in history has every fucked without truly BELIEVING that it somehow served her better interest, her desire to minimize pain or to receive pleasure. Second, if you'll keep this overriding principle in mind in ALL of your seductive interactions with chicks, I think you'll find that it will add a whole 'nother dimension to your clarity and ability. Lastly, the most global aspect of what you're doing with any chick, is gently yet powerfully and fluidly MOVING her towards the Threshold of Action, at which point, the lay can be considered in the bag.   _______________________________ **************************************** It's So Fuckin Easy, But Nothin Seems Ta Please Me A. Rose One Merely Needs To Know How To Talk To A Chick In Order To Secure Seductive Results AH1
 
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persuasion +perceived +value SEDUCTION TRENDS: Getting To Sexual YES 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
How does the nice-guy / jerk thing fit into this gaining pleasure / avoiding pain theory? Also, why do people do stupid things like climb mountains and cross the Antarctic? Why do they go to war to die? What a chick had told me like a month ago: Well when I first saw him I thought he looked great and that he's a really cool guy but as I got to know him, I found out that he was a dork and an idiot and how really ugly he actually is and in the end we screwed and it was the stupidest thing I ever did. I don't know why... In these cases they all had an IDEA that made them do stuff like freezing, dying a fucking some dork. I know that patriotism and sence of duty and honor and whatnot makes people go to war, but what would be useful to know is what kind of ideas do we need to implant into chicks to make them believe that letting us fuck them would be better than not letting us fuck them, or that we're better than some good looking model guys with heaps of money and nice cars. One hot chick just came back from a vacation from Spain and she said she met some guy from Netherlands there and fell in love... the guy apparently fucked her and gave her his number to call him sometimes . Now she's saving up for a trip to Netherlands and talks about him all the time and snubs my every attempt to seduce her. Where's the logic in that? What kind of ideas must I implant into her head for her to allow herself to feel horny and hot for good time? How do I find out? rgds
 
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for good time? How do I find out? Hey just a stab in the dark here but how about asking her questions that evoke those strong feelings of attraction she has to this guy.  Use that information to usurp his position and place those feelings she has  on you. I am sure you have reviewed all the BF Destroyer patters a thousand times anyway.  As far as your situation relates to TOA maybe AH1 is in a better position to explore that.
 
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How does the nice-guy / jerk thing fit into this gaining pleasure / avoiding pain theory? Also, why do people do stupid things like climb mountains and cross the Antarctic? Why do they go to war to die? :::::::These are some excellent questions, thx. Understand that beliefs can be very, very powerful motivators. People will often DIE for their beliefs. In the case of chicks who dig assholes and jerks, it may be the case that the mere excitement that they gain in such a relationship, in her mind, may outweigh any pain involved; verbal abuse, physical abuse, etc. It may also be something as simple as
 
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*out of conscious awareness*, in fact, it's simply what naturally takes place all the time anyway. I am simply putting the model to it. Once we get the possibilities for sex to equal YES, it becomes much, much easier to proceed with the rest of the effort and it will all be received much more quickly and openly. The remainder of
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European men come over to North America and kiss girls on both cheeks? THE GIRLS SWOON!  Why?  Because the European men have introduced a tributary into the girls flux that does not cause discomfort or distress - after all,
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